Toyota Recall

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[godrive]

So manual 107s and C1 s do not have this electronic throttle control but have a conventional throttle cable instead?

 

My guess would be that all the throttles are electronic  and we are dealing with a certain batch of the CTS manufactured control units fitted to a series of cars on the production line in Kolin over a period where if the bearings of the pedal were subject to wear and /or humidity + rust  they would ultimately stick in operation either wholly or partly to slow the pedal return.

I personally would rather have a complete new pedal/control unit assembly (BOF 1 16A35A) fitted than have some mechanic disassembling the control unit to put in some kind of shim on the pedal bearing.Chances are this would not get done at all.

No, not all throttles are electronic, indeed four of our C1's in the driving school have cable throttles. S most petrol manual C1's and 107's have manual cable throttles, not electronic units.

[Nath86]

exactly, mine is a "proper" cable throttle

[soffit]

You got to wonder if this is being amped up by Peu. There is no such thing as bad publicity and being as 'We is Now Four' a little frisson of excitement wouldn't be a bad thing....especially if only a few cars get recalled like the C1? Call me a cynic: I don't mind

[Chazza]

Agree Soffit. A good bit of free marketing. Gets people talking gets on national tv news and all over the papers. That would cost alot if they were paying for it.

[Handsome Devil]

Surely it's not officially a recall until VOSA say? There is nothing on their website so far about any of the cars.

A manufacturer can recall cars themselves.  AFAIK, there have been no instances in the UK of throttles sticking, so VOSA won't have ordered a recall as there is no demonstrable safety related issue on UK cars.  PSA are simply covering there bottoms, and fair play to them for doing so.

I still can't understand what all the fuss, panic, and even talk of litigation that has erupted on this forum is all about.  I've just received a recall for my 308 cos the headlamps may unexpectedly go off on their own at night(!), but I've phoned the local stealer, booked it in for next week, they'll fix it in 20 mins while I sup their complimentary coffee.  This fault has never appeared on a UK 308, much the same way that sticking throttles have never appeared on a UK C1/107, and it's being sorted swiftly and with the minimum of fuss by PSA - a big deal it is not.

You as a driver have never had a problem, PSA wan't it to stay that way and are doing some extremely minor work do ensure that state of affairs.  Simples.

[Spank My Car]

I'm ignoring this throttle problem until my next service comes around - then I'll let them have a look at it.

I would much prefer Toyota/Citreon/Peugeot to be spending there time recalling clutches and replacing them for free . . but I doubt that will happen.

[stiglet]

A manufacturer can recall cars themselves.  AFAIK, there have been no instances in the UK of throttles sticking, so VOSA won't have ordered a recall as there is no demonstrable safety related issue on UK cars.  PSA are simply covering there bottoms, and fair play to them for doing so.

I still can't understand what all the fuss, panic, and even talk of litigation that has erupted on this forum is all about.  I've just received a recall for my 308 cos the headlamps may unexpectedly go off on their own at night(!), but I've phoned the local stealer, booked it in for next week, they'll fix it in 20 mins while I sup their complimentary coffee.  This fault has never appeared on a UK 308, much the same way that sticking throttles have never appeared on a UK C1/107, and it's being sorted swiftly and with the minimum of fuss by PSA - a big deal it is not.

You as a driver have never had a problem, PSA wan't it to stay that way and are doing some extremely minor work do ensure that state of affairs.  Simples.

I agree with this, what is with the drama? on the aygo forum to people refusing to drive their cars WTF?

As said they are covering their ass on a POTENTIAL safety issue and not leaving it until it is an actual issue, if your car gets recalled take it and get it sorted if not assume yours fine and resume normal life. Credit given to Toyota to sort the problem now and risk their reputation than risking someones life instead.

[stiglet]

video posted on TOC from Toyota PR

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid62744306001?bctid=64198780001

[koler]

Here in Italy todays daily newspaper "Il Messaggero" (among others) reports in its on-line editiion  that 24.000 107s and C1s from the group Psa Peugeot Citroen are being recalled. The article goes on to state that 97000 cars will be recalled in all of Europe which is less than 10% of the of these cars circulating in Europe. The number of Toyota Aygo involved is not mentioned.

[chriswyatt]

Right - it looks as if (via Parker's & the RAC) that the Peugeots and Citroens involved are those fitted with the 2-Tronic automated gerabox and/or ESP.

Toyota US are talking about a fix involving the fixing of a shim to the bearing of the accelerator pedal on the electronic throttle assembly ( 107 & C1 part BOF 1 16A35A) such that if the friction pad that is already in the bearing causes the pedal to seize or be slow in return this is prevented.

Personally I would rather wait &  have an entire new modified assembly fitted as a replacement rather than a mechanic disassembling the original unit to fiddle with it and then put it back as a quick-fix.

From Peugeot .co.uk to me this morning BTW

"Thank you for your recent email.

I can confirm that Peugeot will be recalling about 8% of the Peugeot 107s across Europe and if your vehicle is involved then we will contact you shortly with a recall notification, currently your vehicle is not showing as being involved in any current recall campaign.

The recall will be issued based on production date & transmission type and I can advise that your vehicle is safe to drive as the risk of a malfunction of the accelerator pedal is extremely rare.  The Recall is a preventive measure and neither Peugeot Motor Company nor VOSA are aware of any vehicle which has suffered an accident or incident linked to the accelerator pedal.

However, if you are concerned about your vehicle we would recommend that you contact your local Peugeot dealership who will be able to help you with your enquiry. If you would like us to send you the details of your local dealership please reply to this e-mail with your full postcode."


There has been a suggestion that a quick application of WD40 would be a good temporary solution should the pedal bearing appear to be binding.

[Puglet]

Good video there Stigs, but slightly worried by the advice to stamp hard on brake pedal  , if car runs away with you.
As you say Chris from watching the video my first thought was a spray of WD40, but then again bet its a b*tch to get to and spray.
Agree, good on Toyota and Peugeot/Citroen for jumping on this very quickly, in this day and age with the Internet the rumour mill soon fires up.
And to think one of reasons we got a 107 was cos of its reliability and no recalls  , but unfortunately mechanical things can break.

Big thank you to the Americans who drive alot of automatics and have such a big country to drive in, which has obviously highlighted this problem 

[soffit]

Turn off the ignition has got to be key haha [ Thanks to Chaz for that tip....could be the first sensible thing he has said Just Joking of course]

[MiG]

I don't think I could ever trust a fly by wire throttle.  A few months ago I heard from someone who works at Ford about this happening on a Focus Diesel.   

[Puglet]

Check out Working Lunch (BBC2 today hopefully on BBC iPlayer) had Toyota UK boss on discussing the dreaded pedal. They have/will be setting up a database where peeps can check if their car is affected and will be rushing through recall process with DVLA.

He said they identified a problem of 'wearing' pedals back in 2008 and had a modified part being fitted in factory's by Aug 2009, but then the 'wearing' became 'sticking' in Oct/Nov 2009 and WE know the rest.

[Handsome Devil]

I've found a little gem.  The pedals weren't failing spontaneously, but were progressively becoming stiffer (oo-er!) and grinding, so were only sticking in the US and on the continent after drivers had ignored the symptoms for a while, in which case it pretty much serves them right if the car sends them off on a sub-orbital journey of surprise.  Obviously they couldn't be arthed to take time out from buying doughnuts to bother.

The first recorded fault on a customers car in use (that Toyota would admit to!) in the UK was in October 2009, and that didn't actually stick open.  To be fair to Toyslowta, the numbers have been so few in the UK that it may have taken them a while to twig.

Still I can't see the fuss though - none have jammed open in the UK, and Toyota have sussed it and are fixing it.  That seems pretty sensible to me, no sweat.  You get the letter, you get your car fixed.  Simples.